No 1
19 October 1985

(in large amounts)


Dave: "We were all eighteen or nineteen at the time. And it wasnīt the most exciting event of our lives. Martin and Andy were still working and theyīd get to the studio after work, still eating their chinese takeaway or whatever. It wasnīt taken seriously at all, we werenīt thinking about going into the charts at all, we just wanted to make a record."
Andy: "Dīyou remember Scamps?"
Dave: "Yeah, we took the record down to a club called Scamps in Southend and they played it and our friends liked it which was the best thing."


Dave: "This time when we went into the studio we did wanna make a record that would get into the charts, we were playing with sequencers and stuff."
Martin: "After the success of 'Dreaming of me' we thought that this game wasnīt too difficult after all."
Dave: "Yeah, we thought weīd make a few more singles quick."
Martin: "We all earnt a hundred quid or so we thought: 'Blimey, weīre laughing'"
Dave: "We all got hundred quid advances from the publisher and we couldnīt believe it, 'This silly pratīs giving us a hundred quid for nothing'. I also remember that Vince and I used to go round all the publishers because there was quite a lot of people after us."
No.1: So why didnīt you sign away from Mute records, wich was just a small independent label?
Dave: "It was just a bit too confusing at the time, we couldnīt really take in all that was happening. We didnīt trust anyone. It wasnīt something that we were sure we wanted to do the rest of our lives."
Martin: "With Mute it was always step by step, as it still is. Originally it was just a one off single deal where everyone else was trying to get us to sign up to make nine albums. That seemed too much."
Dave: "Yeah, to look that far ahead. I think Vince was most against it, thats was when he really started thinking about whether he wanted to go on."
No.1: Do you remember the first Top Of The Pops appearance?
Dave: "Course. There was Gillian, the 'Whicker Rap' - I remember it really well, even more so than the one we did the other day."
Martin: "We still get nervous even today, but looking back to that first one..."
Dave: "And we were so young..."


No.1: Were you New Romantics at this stage?
Dave: "We were futurists, we were always futurists, because we were involved with futurist people, people who wanted to be individual. The New Romantic thing meant people all looking the same, however flamboyantly. Futurists were an extention from punk. That was our following at the time."
No.1: You were also the Boys From Basildon, was it hard continuing to live in surburbia?
Andy: "We were harrassed."
Martin: "It wasnīt adulation, more derogatory comments."
Dave: "We get more abuse there than anywere else but thatīs the sort of place it is, very young. I live there now and I can go out and do the shopping okay. You learn. You know that if you go to the wrong areas you can get beaten up, so you stay away from those areas. Itīs a good place."


Martin: "Was the first single Iīd written although it had been around a long time, I wrote it when I was 17. So when Vince left it seemed quite a good single to do, a nice commercial one."
No.1: Itīs sad, as a lot of your love songs.
Dave: "Thatīs because itīs personal, thatīs what makes them sad."
Martin: "I think weīve always - not shocked - but surprised people."
Dave: "Oh, I think weīve shocked in our time."
Martin: "But weīve never continued in one steady pattern, one direct line."


No.1: Why have you never had your picture on a single sleeve?
Andy: "We like to be a bit of a faceless group, really. We want people to buy the music, not our image. The first Duran album, for instance, they must regret what they look like. Perhaps they donīt..."
Dave: "I bet they do, they must do. Itīs really a horrible sleeve."
No.1: Well why do you appear in videos then?
Andy: "We only make videos to sell our records and there are certain rules to follow: You must appear."
Dave: "We try to make them a bit obscure, not your general run of the mill ones."
No.1: 'Leave In Silence' was a real shock to people.
Martin: "After the 'Meaning Of Love', which isnīt on the LP, had bombed we felt we should be taking a few more chances as trying to make records that we thought were going to be hits wasnīt the way to go about things. We released something we were very happy with, that we hoped would appeal to people."
Dave: "Itīs very rare to capture an atmosphere on a single, but thatīs the one we did it on. The whole album 'Broken Frame' is very moody throughout but a little disjointed. 'Leave In Silence', though, had everything, melody, sound, mood, everything. One of my favourites."


No.1: Your first single as a member of the group, Alan. What difference did you make?
Alan: "Yeah, it was my first single but I donīt think I made a great deal of differance. I probably made it worse."
Martin: "Well that is actually our least favourite single. It was hell to record."
Andy: "We had a lot of problems, it was a kind of interim period between equipment and it just didnīt happen."
Alan: "Iīd been involved for about a year, I wasnīt comming into it cold."
Dave: "Yeah, we were paying you a good wage though, Alan!"
Alan: "They were paying me a pittance."
Andy: "You did travel the world - and get free records!"


Martin: "Itīs strange, but we went from one of our unhappiest singles to one of our favourites."
Andy: "As with the previous one we were experimenting with various new technology that money and business.
Martin: "Again, the time just seemed right to have a change from what weīd been writing about before."
Alan: "We wanted, also, to be able to capture our live sound, in the past weīd sounded a bit lightweight on record."
Dave: "Once more, that single captured a brillian atmosphere."
Martin: "Anyway, a lot of people liked the single which was nice because we were attempting, again, to go off and do someting a little bit different."


Dave: "This is the s-s-s-sīs track. It had a very soft vocal, with a lot of sīs, it sounded awful. I was a bit disappointed with this, it could have been brilliant."
Andy: "We had a lot of problems with the equipment with this one, just trying to get that softness of sound we wanted without it all blurring was a real nightmare. Itīs one thatīs always good live, though."


Alan: "We all look upon that period of recording as one ofthe most exciting. Weīd gone to Berlin and the feeling in the studio was very dynamic. We were aware that the single was quite close to being a disco single and we didnīt want it to be like all the millions of others that were out. We wanted it to have this hard metallic sound while keeping it fairly soulful.
We had a great time in Berlin and we also had fun experimenting with all these synclaviers and so on. It was an exciting period with a good end result. We werenīt sure about it at first, although we thougt it was good."
No.1: You were building up a very large following in Europe at the time, why was that?
Andy: "It had been bulding up I think. Every time we went over there the audiences were getting bigger and more responsive and thats the single that really cracked it."
Dave: "That was also our first ever hit in America, although it was released later over there. It was obviously a single that appealed to a lot of people."
No.1: You were really getting more into leather at this point.
Andy: "We were thinking more about our image than we ever had done really."
Dave: "We went through a period where weīd worn suits to go with songs like 'See You' which I think was the worst period. But before, when we first started, we were wearing leather, basically the leather gay look. That was from most of our friends. It was our best look. Gradually we just came back into it. Itīs a good strong image, a powerfull one. Itīs not really an image as such but it looks good and itīs the sort of stuff weīd wear anyway."
Alan: "Weīre not the sort of group thatīs ever really though about clothes a great deal..."
Andy: "But we just canīt help it if we look damned good, can we?"


Dave: "We wanted to get across a very manic feeling and I think we did do that. A very powerful song."
Andy: "It rubbed off a bit from 'People Are People'."
Dave: "Yeah, but lyrically it was very different."
No.1: About those lyrics...
Martin: "No, Iīve explained this a million times... itīs about domination,
Dave: "Yeah, but on the records itīs sexual, isnīt it?"
Alan: "No, itīs not, itīs not just about sex. Martin?"
Dave: "On the record it is, I think itīs pretty obvious from the lyric."
Martin: "Alright then."


Andy: "When we went to America we thought weīd get a lot of the same stick for this record that weīd get over in Europe but we didnīt. We got a lot of letters slagging it."
Alan: "In Europe, the problem was they couldnīt say it."
Martin: "Neither this nor 'Master And Servant' had any shock value, they werenīt intended to shock people. They both had a good meaning."
Dave: "I think the problem arose because it had the word 'Blasphemous' in the title, so the record itself must be, whereas itīs just the thoughts of one man looking for some kind of a reason in the goings on in the world. We did get response from Christian Associations saying that they understood what we were trying to say."
Andy: "There was also a feature in a Christian magazine, which I used to read, putting across our side."


Dave: "Another one of those tracks which I think is a great song where we didnīt really give it enough in the studio. We were touring and trying to make a record at the same time. It was the first single where we had nothing to do with the mixing."
Andy: "When we came back from America there were loads of things we didnīt like about it."
Dave: "It was crying for a great big chorus but it didnīt happen."
Alan: "It is a great song. Sould have been a very big hit. It did very well elsewhere."
Alan: "It was the sort of song you needed to hear a few times."


Dave: "Our latest. I do find it very hard to enjoy singles until a good while after theyīve been out. At the time there are just too many other things to do to sit back and think about the single."
No.1: Why have the singles compilation?
Dave: "Itīs the end of a period for us. We need to start afresh on the new LP and this will give us enthusiasm."
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